In this powerful dialogue hosted by Ann Pettifor, economists Michael Hudson and Yanis Varoufakis unpack the deeper logic behind today’s economic turmoil. From Trump-era tariff policies to the rise of cloud capital, they explore how global capitalism has shifted from industrial profit to monopoly and digital rent extraction. Drawing on the legacy of David Graeber, they argue that we are entering a new form of techno-feudalism—where power lies not in production but in controlling platforms, data, and behavior. This discussion is a must-read for anyone trying to understand the real engines behind rising inequality and geopolitical tension.



